Thread locked. Looking down at Nymeria, Arianne positively croons down at her. Contents 1 "Bob" Why would you want to limit your card selection if you aren't playing a game that requires those limitations? What's the difference between a power rail and a signal line? There aren't enough cards that care about any other card type as much as creatures, and the card typing is has ramifications for other engines in the decks. over Blood Scrivener So for 8 fetchlands and those 8 staples, you're already over 1k. If you look like an adept card handler and always win, . Choose the options you'd like for the order. More statistics can be found here http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Dark_Confidant. Played. On top of this, the one or 2 cards you draw from Bob can be just enough to stop a win or win yourself, and if it goes past these number of turns, it becomes even more value. COHIHG EVENTS [By St. Clair.J RACING. The trio's first target is Boo . 708.4b is rather poorly worded. But you'll get an extra card and lose some life every turn if your Confidant lives, which is excellent against control and midrange strategies. A fair point, but there are lots of non-Tymna decks running Bob. From there I thought it was worth looking at how much value we can expect from cards like Bob, Grob, and Mindblade.Speaking Grob and Mindblade, I did consider including them in the post, but decided against it because I didn't want to muddy the waters further. #03534, ___ ___ ___ ___ ARCANA ___ ___ ___ ___ huge selection_strict grading_we buy cards. Enchantments like Warlock Class are both enablers and payoffs for this strategy, having the effect of another enchantment like Wound Reflection. It wasn't until a friend told me that Bob was worth $50 (at the time), so I researched why it was so much, and understood why it was so powerful. So we should have our third land, second one-drop and second two-drop in these 10 cards. Help | The players have influence over what turn the game ends and so an just over half end on turn 5, not accounting for pod composition. You have a 2 mana advantage engine, that keeps the life totals even by swinging for 2, that you can bolt to save yourself and that changes how you can curve out. The proofs will be signed on the front with black sharpie. For what Bob does, Liliana does nothing. As always, you're down the one card that it cost to cast the spell from your hand. Do i really want to rape my wallet to get some little guy who's potentially going to damage me considerably? For the effects of cards like Astarion, the Decadent and Archfiend of Despair, all loss of life is measured by the variation of the life in that turn (also known as life swing). like i understand pod effects hitting creatures, but it's not like you're going to spend a spell to put bob in you hand so you can spend 2 mana and draw a card next turn. When that mana is colored, it's even more important. This means that if a player paid three life to do something, they lost three life. All of the points raised above are extremely valid, but it all comes down to the mana. Few cards have ended more MTG games than a lethal Tendrils of Agony, which is technically a storm payoff but causes loss of life nonetheless. @wesdfgfgd Why not? Krayhaft it really depends on the deck, you can get some for 500$ which is what you would probably spend in a standard season buying a deck or two (in singles). Ad Nauseam is a card that allows players to do unfair things. rather than build a brand new deck. . But in the meantime, blood scrivener is what Im going to run. A split cards colors and converted mana cost are determined from its combined mana cost. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Even before that, the immediate value generated by Whisper has significant value. If your not behind bob name another creature card that does what he does for the same cmc. Show All Versions. This guy is more of gamble unless you have some control over the order of the top cards on your library since youll be losing a ton of life if you draw something with a high mana cost. But Belakor, the Dark Master can give you a lot more cards, and its always nice when you recast it and fill up your hand as a commander. The card's flavor text alludes to Maher's epithet "the Great One". Blocks Tymna, too. You will find further information on individual cookies in our Privacy Policy, where you can adjust your cookie settings. 3) Dark Confidant costs 1 less which means he's in play earlier, and gets you at more cards sooner. Dark Confidant. I play in a similar meta, and can confirm that he is an all star if you can get the game to go longer than turn 5 (which honestly isn't that rare anymore now that Flash is gone). a few years???? Quantity: Decrease Quantity of undefined Increase Quantity of undefined. Commanders like Astarion, the Decadent and Rakdos, Lord of Riots are commanders that benefit you for making your opponents lose life, even via combat damage. Dark Confidant: Those Secret Spells Will Cost Ya! @Zuckfatthat's actually a really, really good example of the difference that one black mana can make. You can exile up to two cards and drain your opponent for two life if it transforms. Enchantment. The money i would have spent on a new standard deck i got kiki pod at the time. The "basic curve" makes one play per turn for the first five turns, totaling five plays while the "Confidant curve" makes a total of eight plays over the same amount of turns. Probably one of the most hated cards thanks to its interaction with Witchs Oven, Cauldron Familiar drains your opponent for one life each time, and it partners with Mayhem Devil for extra damage in Explorer/Pioneer decks. To subscribe to this RSS feed, copy and paste this URL into your RSS reader. You lose life equal to its mana value. Privacy statement | You could think of it as no ban modern. Lightning Bolt, for example, does not count as a life loss card because it deals damage rather than causing a player to lose life. Dark Confidant Ravnica: City of Guilds. Youll have chump blockers, evasive creatures at your disposal, and its good with equipment. Youll live and gain some life if youre being attacked by white weenie, and its a lifedrain amplifier in a sacrifice deck. Warlock Class sees play in Explorer as a way to add to your devotion, and as a mana sink. If it's somewhere other than on the stack or if it's fused, a split card's CMC is the sum of each half's CMC. Angrath, the Flame-Chained makes each opponent discard a card and lose two life, so thats at least scalable in EDH. Children of Korlis gives you life equivalent to the lifeloss you had when you sacrifice it. Condition: . But, yeah, I wonder the same goddam thing every time I see it cast. Note that you can draw more cards paying four different colors of mana if theres some kind of taxing effect online, like Thalia, Guardian of Thraben. I do agree though, if someone personally wants it, it's worth the financial investment. The Scarab God makes your opponents lose X life, where X is the number of zombies you control. There were lots of cards to choose from and narrowing down to a list wasnt easy, but I tried to get the most powerful, popular, and competitive ones out there. Hi all, I was going through my magic cards which I've a few of, and I wrote a small utility that grabs market prices for the cards. It was also totally worth the surprised looks on people's faces when they "knew" I had no outs, just for me to slam a titan down on them and take over the game. This site is Draftsim.com. Now, while Bob can come out on Turn 1, a Turn 2 Bob is probably more common so that's how I will be evaluating him for simplicity's sake. You have a 2 mana advantage engine, that keeps the life totals even by swinging for 2, that you can bolt to save yourself and that changes how you can curve out. The self-harm isn't that important, but as said above, you can just sacrifice/chumpblock if necessary. Half your opponents life is fine as a punishment, especially in EDH where the life totals are huge. to Liliana of the Veil Edition: Double Masters. Deathrite Shaman unites ramp, graveyard hate, and a win condition all in the same 1-drop. As someone who is still new to magic. That's $840. However, the sorts of decks that would favor the Arena over Bob are probably too slow to do well in Modern. That said, it causes most opponents to feel needlessly pressured to remove him quickly. Is Loss of Life Considered Noncombat Damage? Arena costs one more mana and is less valuable for that reason, since at the 3-spot it's outclassed. Ancestral Recall: Make Anyone Draw 3 Cards, Abrupt Decay: Destroy a Permanent with Low Mana Cost, Exquisite Firecraft: 4 Damage that sometimes cant be countered. . Phyrexian Arena is the best option. Can I cast an instant or activate an ability between "whenever a creature dies" triggers, if the creatures die at the same time? Yes I know it's pricy still but with that said for a competitive tier 1 modern deck you can't skip on quality. I paid half that!" This site 2023 TappedOut.net, LLC At the beginning of your upkeep, reveal the top card of your library and put that card into your hand. well Barandis my deck Sheoldred, Whispering One --BLCK-- SCRFC3 fits that bill. 5 out of 5 stars (1,997) Sale Price $4.70 $ 4.70 $ 5.54 Original Price $5.54 . how many Dark Confidant It contains the spells you know and the creatures you can summon to fight for you. Honestly Bob is a tad overrated. for the price of a playset of Bobs. What is the purpose of this D-shaped ring at the base of the tongue on my hiking boots? in that slot. Why do small African island nations perform better than African continental nations, considering democracy and human development? Portions of Scryfall are unofficial Fan Content permitted under Originally intended for checking printing colors and as artists portfolio samples, artists proofs are now popular collectibles. Thanks APPLE01DOJ and sylvannos, I'll see what I can do We can consider this closed, thanks to all who posted. 6. I just started working on a modern mono black. (I ended up buying them at an LGS because I have a good LGS that I'll support with the few extra dollars I spend over ordering them online. Do Obosh and Brash Taunter together cause quadruple damage to an opponent? @ KingSorin It was regarding moderns High price nothing was said about bobs in the deck. Eldritch Moon Spoilers and Set Information, March of the Machine: The Aftermath Spoilers and Set Information, Bloodthirst in MTG: Rules, History, and Best Cards, The 67 Best Recursion Creatures in Magic Ranked. The Meathook Massacre combines a sweeper and a lifedrain effect in one tool. That being said, if you bought it from scratch, I'm impressed with 4-500 considering even on TCG Player you're gonna have a hard time finding the fetchlands for less than $300 (assuming 9, the playsets of Catacombs and Rainforests along with a single Marsh Flats Its not that good for EDH since you target only one opponent, but the effect is still good. Dark Confidant (Store Championship) (Textless): At the beginning of your upkeep, reveal the top card of your library and put that card into your hand. Preface. If you don't answer bob he will make you regret the fact you didn't address his board presence. Dark Confidant was reprinted in Modern Masters. Thats a lot of life to be lost. is expensive for a reason. Dark Confidant - MTG Cards | Cardmarket All Magic: The Gathering Cards Dark Confidant Dark Confidant 7 versions Show Versions Show Offers Product Availability No. Popular posts: Why is Sundering Titan Banned in Commander? Gatherer is the Magic Card Database. Youll draw lots of cards by paying life, and youll draw lots of rituals and cantrips which can result in a storm win in combo decks with cheap cards (0-1 mana value). The prevalence of cheap removal spells like Lightning Bolt and Fatal Push are very good against him. Obviously you can build a decent mono or bi-color deck pretty cheaply, but many decks are tri-color, and getting all the fetches for that alone is backbreaking. It can be very interesting in some EDH decks as well with cheap cards since youll drain the table for a bunch. Free shipping for many products! rev2023.3.3.43278. It's mainly used in aggro, so the 2/1 body is helpful and the extra card keeps momentum going. it depends on what modern and standard deck you're comparing. It's funny, because Blood Scrivener being a justifiable consideration. From the rules: Specifically regarding CMC (emphasis mine): Example: Assault/Batterys mana cost is {3}{R}{G}. Set Promo: General (Foil) $129.99) Condition: (Required) Near Mint. Your email address will not be published. Press J to jump to the feed. If you're playing a no-banlist-Modern-type deck, why not just use Skullclamp? It is such a fun deck to play, and my go to deck in modern. There are a bunch of these similar decks in EDH that can benefit from it since it helps find new artifacts with the +1 ability and attacks using the -1. Please use this Cookie Management Panel to manage your preferences for . , it wouldn't fit the mold as decks that use Dark Confidant Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for 1X FOIL Dark Confidant BORDERLESS MINT MTG Magic Double Master VIP Full Extended at the best online prices at eBay! Averaging out the mana cost for all of the cards, I found that the average draw would make Bob do 1.22 damage per turn. A 6/5 flying demon is good. Which is weaker, Lightning Bolt or Force of Will? Painful Truths saw some Legacy play, drawing three cards and losing three life. Torment of Hailfire is one of the funnier and more impactful cards and win conditions in black EDH decks. We've added a "Necessary cookies only" option to the cookie consent popup. In pretty much every format ever Bob has been a staple card, and even in today's cEDH meta he's an autoinclude for Black decks. Here he returns with an uplifting house cut that deftly manipulates samples . This site is unaffiliated. Heavily Played. By clicking Accept all cookies, you agree Stack Exchange can store cookies on your device and disclose information in accordance with our Cookie Policy. Do roots of these polynomials approach the negative of the Euler-Mascheroni constant? Fifth turn: Another land, two-drop, and finally a three-drop lead us to 22 two-drops/land, and four three-drops, totaling the deck out at 60 cards. Third turn: Henceforth, we will assume that we have drawn and played a Confidant on turn two to give the most extreme variation from the basic. 4) Dark Confidant costs 1 black, Arena costs 2 black, makeing Confidant easier to splash and easier to ensure you get into play right away. It was just a little over a grand. , they both do the same thing but one is banned in legacy, and other isn't even played in modern. Though on the flip side, it's not that hard to build a decent T2 monocolor modern deck. So if the player had 25 life at the beginning of the turn and ended the turn with 15 life, they effectively lost 10 life. It's all about the downside of Bob versus the upside. DMCA requests | Does a summoned creature play immediately after being summoned by a ready action? Privacy statement | His biggest MTG regret is trading a bunch of Force of Wills for Serra Angels. Narwek, Im thinking the same thing as you. Pain Seer and Blood Scrivener are creatures with similar effects. The strategy of chess and the variance of poker, all wrapped up in a fantasy medium. is just simple quicker, I've also learned to play black, u simply have to kill the opponent faster than u kill yourself. 27 Timeless Ultimate Guides and Tools for Magic the Gathering, Siege Rhino: A Portent of Defeat for your Enemies, Berserk MTG Card: Temporary but fatal power. I understand it has a huge price tag but you can get a set for about 200 on eBay. Sep 2, 2021 in Jund or BUG for example.. it just won't work. You even get three life back if its an Archon of Cruelty. Note that this analysis is identical to the one which would occur for Howling Mine and several other cards. It was overexaggerated, but I was going off of the price differences between standard and modern decks. I am in the same boat, incidentally. As I mentioned, it can be sacrificed easier than any of the other cards and more reliably based on the general cEDH meta. 2/1 Illustrated by Livia Prima Standard Not Legal Alchemy Not Legal Pioneer Not Legal Explorer Not Legal Modern Legal Brawl Not Legal Legacy Legal Historic According to the MTG comprehensive rules: When life totals are exchanged, each player gains or loses the amount of life necessary to equal the other players previous life total. Theres not a lot of life loss payoffs, but Ill list a few. Contrasting Dark Confidant with Night's Whisper then, as an easy comparison, I am not absolutely certain that he is better. And it's not really excuses, I'm just putting numbers down. are copyright their respective owners. Dark Confidant is so nicknamed after Bob Maher, Jr., its creator. Modern Dredge, The Spookiest you can get in Modern. the Wizards of the Coast Fan Content Policy. Illustrated by Scott M. Fischer 2/1 not legal standard not legal historic Board & Card Games Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for people who like playing board games, designing board games or modifying the rules of existing board games. Las mejores ofertas para Dark Confidant Modern Masters 2015 casi nuevo negro mtico tarjeta rara (363742) abugames estn en eBay Compara precios y caractersticas de productos nuevos y usados Muchos artculos con envo gratis! That being said, this post had me look at the card again, and I'm not sure Bob is as great as one would hope in cEDH at the moment. Thanks for all the feedback, guys! Start one on this topic we can hash it out there :). Let me know in the comments below, or take the discussion to the Draftsims Discord. You can still do better though. Scryfall is not produced by or endorsed by Wizards of the Coast. Terms of Use | Dark Confidant (Custom Card Alternate Art) ad vertisement by MagicLCreations Ad from shop MagicLCreations MagicLCreations From shop MagicLCreations. ), The TCG Player low price on my Melira Pod build is, at this very moment, $898.39. Card Text: At the beginning of your upkeep, reveal the top card of your library and put that card into your hand. And those who aren't behind him quit being a noob! Reanimate (Commander Collection: Black) | Illustration by Nils Hamm. The reason I use TCG Mid is becausewell, we need a standard somewhere. The literal and graphical information presented on this site I was going under the assumption that someone would only focus on building a single T1 deck for a particular standard, so you saying you'd have to sell all of your decks to fund modern just helps my argument. You could move over to online, Bob still is reasonably priced there. That's all neither here nor there though. Its a staple in Legacy ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils) and EDH combo decks. Why? In every zone except the stack, the characteristics of a split card are those of its two halves combined. Saying DC is weaker than Liliana is almost impossible. and Pokmon TCG trading cards. blue red green multicolored Other 8 Cards (13%) 6 Cards (10%) 6 Cards (10%) . I play B/G/R(Jund colors) in modern, my deck was around $300 to build. The deck I want it for is Thopter Depths. Dark Confidant was, for a long time, the hands-down winner of the most powerful Invitational card. As the example shows, the mana cost and converted mana cost of a split card is only the combined mana costs or converted mana costs of its two halves when it's not on the stack or when it's fused. Also, just read Barandis's answer about the curve. The challenge is to have enough demons on the battlefield for it to be better. in there, but im kind of thinking..why is he so good? Ok guy, I'll trade you my Dark Tutelage for your Dark Confidant. I'm not the smartest MTG player; I mainly collect the cards because I love the art on them and I do have fun the few times that I do play. play test it a few times & tell me if u think it's too slow. Tappedout has no idea how to play Magic, confirmed. This site works best with JavaScript enabled. Here's a typical "Jund" (Black-Red-Green) deck. The decks that want bob are actively trying to make the game go long. The following decks all had a record of 4-1 at Worlds 2007: Dark Confidant's effect can dramatically change the way a deck wants to play out. I was about to post a forum about this, and noticed that one was already right there. 11 one-drops, 21 two-drops, 4 three-drops, 3 four-drops, 21 lands. Legacy decks may consist of cards from all Magic card sets, any edition of the core set, and all special sets, supplements, and promotional printings released by Wizards of the Coast. Card Name: Dark Confidant Cost: 1B Color: Black Card Type: Creature - Human Wizard Power/Toughness: 2/1 Card Number: 74/229 Artist: Scott M. Fischer Card Text: At the beginning of your upkeep, reveal the top card of your library and put that card into your hand. How do I align things in the following tabular environment? 2023 Wizards. Vendetta is a very efficient removal spell, but there are typically better alternatives available. You could easily have to skip standard for the next few years just to fund a single modern deck. When Stronghold Arena enters the battlefield, you gain 3 life for each time it was kicked. I was surprised to see a card like [[Dark Confidant]] come back at such a hefty price for the ability that it has. He works with Tymna, he dies to Skullclamp, as a 2/1 he can block a lot of relevant creatures, etc. CardTrader All versions from all sets for Dark Confidant | CardTrader Games Magic: the Gathering Pokmon Yu-Gi-Oh! Youll lose some life, sure, but it shouldnt matter if you reanimated something good. I worry that semantic wrangling is diluting the answer that OP was looking for. Bob gets around alot of effects that prevent you from drawing cards, Narset, notion thief etc. Please enable JavaScript on your browser to best view this site. 10 COMMENTS | The data for that post (which you can look at here) lists the number of times games ended on particular turns. Dark Confidant Buy on TCGplayer $17.75 Buy on Card Kingdom $19.99 Dark Confidant Creature Human Wizard At the beginning of your upkeep, reveal the top card of your library and put that card into your hand. Fguiont Racing Club. Sometimes, one mana is worth much more than being able to play a card a turn earlier. , but I was thinking Blood Scrivener Commander ninjutsu effectively dodges commander tax, and you can replay Yuriko for whenever you attack with an evasive creature. The fact that the card is a Creature adds more value that doesn't make comparisons to non-creatures as cut-and-dry. Splashing card advantage on a stick with such a low cost despite the life loss makes for a very dangerous card, tempo, card advantage, attacker, blocker Phyrexian Arena It's kinda like a Howling Mine except that your opponents don't draw any extra cards! Sorin, Grim Nemesis is a nice finisher in Orzhov () decks. That is why G/B/X decks do tend to run 1 in their 75, to bring in the mirror or versus decks where they need more CA. For the same mana Night's Whisper immediately gives you two cards at the cost of two life. Scryfall is not produced by or endorsed by these services. Sell your Dark Confidant (Store Championship Foil) Other Versions. Only by having no hand at all, which red aggro can do well, does Blood Scrivener If you cast Assault, the resulting spell is a red spell with a converted mana cost of 1. Not approved/endorsed by Wizards. As for Night's Whisper, bob is much better than night's whisper most of the time so people would rather run bob. While I'm definitely taking the winrates with a Carthage-sized amount of salt, I think that the turns that games end on are probably pretty reliable. Since life is a resource, you should trade your own life in exchange for more power (more cards, more mana, etc.). I know when I was heavily into standard I Had like 3 to 4 tier 1 decks at the time. Artists proofs are CCG cards with blank white backs, printed by Wizards of the Coast and issued only to the artists. I know the deck isn't modern legal, I just put this here for the Confidant since he is more of a modern card than a legacy card.